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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 1, 2006 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: rhino release

he was heavily doped up -equals fucked up in my ears as far as the way he sounded not acted..some people get real mellow when they get fucked up and jerry was too mellow in 76 -that's how i hear it and its cause he was fucked up on shit!!! now the 80's he ws fucked up too but the music wasnt

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 10:08am
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hmmm, strange how subjective art can be at times huh? I can understand what you're saying as not liking the slower tempos, or why some people prefer different tones to tohers ( which Jerry AND Bob were known to changes tones and axes from year to year ) but I don't see why Jerry is singled out here. In my opinion the slowness is out of being DELIBERATE and it's because of an extra drummer being reintroduced to the band.Preferences aside I can't see how you can say 76 has nothing to offer.

One question: have you ever listened to ANY of those shows I mentioned? Or are you basing this soley off of that 6-29-76 Chicago show that is in wide circulation?

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 1, 2006 10:15am
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'71 and '76 are my favorite GD years. Drugs, or no drugs those years are great. '71 shows are tight arraingments w/ a bluesy feel and the band really playing like they had something to prove!

'76 is just THE most layed-back listenable year in the GD stable. A year of re-discovery. After '72-'74 the band was burnt-out and came back in '76 with a sound that made the band members excited.

If the members of this band were clean and sober for 30 years, there would be no exspansive catalogue which showcases the ever-evolving sound of GD. I try to find a way to enjoy it all. Good, Bad and Ugly. Without the spirit of experimentation(drugs and music)this band is 3 Dod Night. Ick!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 10:31am
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3 DOG NIGHT! LOL! No shit Highflow. Right on!

76 isn't my favorite year but I like it a lot and I definately put it as #1 on the most under appreciated year.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 1, 2006 10:55am
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dude , you can love 76 all you want ..i have that boston show where they do that sugar mags>us>sugar mags encore.i am goin off memory so forgiive me if i'm wrong . that show puts me to sleep everytime along with others and also jerry band -sorry but too mellow - i like my dead not so dead :)

like i said sure there are good shows and so forth but overall 1976 and i am talkin 1976 don't do anyhting for me but put me to sleep...what can i say...it does...sorry
and then there's that woman..its her fault!!!! :)

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 1, 2006 11:22am
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OK, so you like to ROCK! That's fine.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 11:53am
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Fair enough. Nothing like a rockin' Beleive it or Not or SOTM huh? Sorry, had to do it.

I never argued your preferences, just your blanket they sucked in those years statements that I think you are misguided on. I think that Sugar MAg>U.S. blues sounds more like 74. You never answered my question on those shows so I will assume you have heard them and still think they're too slow but my true instinct tells me you formed your opinion and haven't heard them.

No hard feelings - 86 Rules!

: P

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 1, 2006 12:00pm
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80-83 rules !!! 87-90 rules rules and 84-85 ,91 gets its fair shake from time to time.....how about a sweet china doll>gdtrfb>dew and it aint from 76!!

as far as those shows go from 76 cant recall if i have heard them cause i haven't listened too much to that year so it really dont matter anyway . i have heard other shows from 76 and just too mellow at most times .

also i dont listen to 1986 too much either.....

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 1, 2006 12:13pm
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"87-90 rules rules .....how about a sweet china doll>gdtrfb>dew and it aint from 76!! "

I'll certainly second your notion of 87-90, those are a few of my favorite years as well. but not to beg the discussion.... chinadoll>gdtrfb>dew was not always exactly "rockin" - so will assume that you truly enjoy the "sound" of jer's guitar better during those years as opposed to 76. 76 was certainly a jazzier tone.

your preference there would certainly be "fair enough"
peace

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 1, 2006 12:29pm
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chinadoll>gdtrfb>dew was not always exactly "rockin" - so will assume that you truly enjoy the "sound" of jer's guitar better during those years as opposed to 76. 76 was certainly a jazzier tone.

also prefer jerry during those years over 76 for the reasons already stated....brent kinda woke jerry up a bit
hehehehehehehe

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 12:42pm
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hmm but Brent was all F'd up too no?

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 1, 2006 12:58pm
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yep -check out 1986 foe some killer fucked up brent ;)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 1:18pm
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I met the guy once and he was as wigged out paranoid high as I ever saw anyone. HE was most very definately fucked up. But I didn't think anything less of him mind you, real shy self effacing guy is how he struck me. Oh yeah, saw him run off stage before too. VERY odd behavior.

Fucked up or not I don't like the heavy handed approach to a lot of his synthesizer sound but that's MY preference and it isn't meant to degrade him as a musician and certainly not a person.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 2, 2006 6:10am
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Oh yeah, saw him run off stage before too. VERY odd behavior.


what you never seen brent ,bobby run or jerry hustle around -off stage before..why is that odd ?? i seen jerry take off after breaking a string at landover 88 and the band didnt even realize he left...guess thats odd behavior
i like brent and i like what he brought to the table.... he could do it all on the keys....he was sweet on eyes ,china doll..cassidy...sugar mag..1/2 step ..check out 3-24-88 for a killer brent 1/2 step .etc...check out .the never ending cresendo that builds up betweeen brent & jerry ..you never got that from keith ..brents the man in my book!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 12:44pm
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I love 87-90 as well, and I'll throw in 91 too. As far as GDTRFB, that tune was ALWAYS good to my ears regardless of when they played it.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 1, 2006 10:07am
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wow dude - you may need your hearing checked regarding the quality of Jerry's playing during 76 (and 77). I'm not sure we're listening to the same year. Are you sure you know what good guitar playing sounds like?? Just checking.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 10:15am
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hmm " fucked up on shit"

Uh, you DO realize what band we're talking about don't you? Regardless of people's stances on drugs, it aint going to make the realities of this band go away. They partied! And as much as we know that CAN lead to bad things, in them days people were able to do it without being lectured.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 1, 2006 11:46am
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Without a doubt drugs were part of what made the Dead the Dead.

That's very un-PC to say these days but it was a reality of the band's sound and part of what made them sound the way they did and write and create and jam the way they did. For sometimes good and sometimes bad. (Most times phenomenal.)

It was Phil, I believe, who once said that part of the thing with Jerry and drugs is that he just didn't like to be told what was good for him and what wasn't... and fairly enjoyed giving the finger to the rest of the world when it came to things that he wanted to put into his own body.

Obviously, he paid a price for that in the end, but I guarantee you none of us would be here passionately debating and discussing the nuances of their music had the band decided to go all clean and squeaky and write songs just to make the pop charts.

Different drugs were a part of every different Dead era and very much a part of their identity. As the late great Bill Hicks would remind you, when it came to legendary songs that pass the test of time and a LOT of the people who created them: "Reeaaaaal high on drugs."

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 1, 2006 12:16pm
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hmm " fucked up on shit"

that's what coke is -shit -

now vitamin A that's where it's at....jerry would'nt have time to mope a dope on that -shit!!!!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 12:41pm
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Why is this JUST about Jerry? You think he was the ONLY one? Give me a break.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 1, 2006 1:00pm
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yep -

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 1:17pm
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yeah right ok.

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Nov 1, 2006 1:16pm
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You guys are all such bozos. '71. '76. '81. Geeeze--don't you know that the best year was 1965? Can't Come Down? Mindbender? Early Morning Rain? Now that's what I call art.

It's all good. If we all liked the same year(s), how dull it would be.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 1:31pm
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LOL! I like most all years man. I don't think Fish should listen to 65 or 66 because they were all F'd up on DMT and other kinds of SPEED.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 2, 2006 6:13am
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yeah man..thats the ticket!!!!

just call me mellow yelloww...quite right ...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 1, 2006 2:27pm
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i wonder if they ever tried DMT - that is one monstrous kick-ass psychodelic trip (from the trip reports ive read) - extremely difficult to handle without flipping out. 5-20 minutes of loss of universe.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 2:32pm
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oh yeah they talk about it all the time. In fact there's one story by Owsley or one of them where they/he claims they were able to play louder than any other time. Some sort of experiment thing. Sounded a lot better when he explained it, sounds like a Spinal Tap scene when I describe it ( " this one goes to eleven" ).

Anways, they were doing methadrine or some sort of SPEED when they recorded the first album. Wonder what Fishead thinks of that?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 1, 2006 3:13pm
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no way they could play on DMT - totally disorienting with nothing of the visual world left - total physical catatonia - especially if they "broke through" - would have loved to have tried that in my old days - but ive heard it can be extremely horrifying.

for the first 5-20 minutes - many many many times more powerful than LSD - read some of the trip reports on erowid.org (or com) - mindblowing descriptions and a total shock to the brain beyond anything lsd could do

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 4:02pm
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well tell that to them then. That is the claim. Supposedly they smoked it.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 1, 2006 4:11pm
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oh - not doubtin they smoked it - just doubtin they could even see a guitar after smoking - read the descriptions. not trying to argue with you my friend - hope you know me better than that - sorry man for making a case with you when none was intended - hope we are cool !

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 1, 2006 4:27pm
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geez man! Don't go getting all sensitive on me now : )

Of course there's no hard feelings. Sorry if it sounded that way. Oh hey, I didn't forget about the CD's, just been BUSY. Figured you are too. Soon!

How about all this anti-drug talk aurrounding Jerry? Of course anyone can argue how bad Heroin is but COME ON! This is the Grateful F'n DEAD not the Carpenters. What in the hell is the worlds coming to?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 1, 2006 5:15pm
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dude - certainly didnt mean to get sensitive - wasnt my intention at all - just talkin drugs - bad subject for me i guess.
sorry it came across that way.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 2, 2006 6:19am
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How about all this anti-drug talk aurrounding Jerry? Of course anyone can argue how bad Heroin is but COME ON! This is the Grateful F'n DEAD not the Carpenters. What in the hell is the worlds coming to?

dude , you ok?? like we were talkin about 1976 and how jerry sounded /sounds to me . you can disagree all you want . it aint about anti-drug talk . its about the effects the coke had on him in 1976 (imo) that made him way too mellow along with the rest of the band cause jerry was the leader and the band went as jerry went ..he was the conductor.they all followed jerry's lead. was it gonna be a mellow show or an upbeat show . to me 1976 is way too mellow .
like i said before vitamin a-not coke /i dont like coke....not that it matters what if jerry hadnt done coke or heroin -ya think he still be around today ??? of course so obviuosly some drugs are bad bad bad bad bad..but i dont preach ..its up to the individual and jerry unfortunatly couldnt stop ....

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 2, 2006 8:33am
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yeah I'm perfectly ok " DUDE". You're talking TWO different things there pal. First you don't like 76, ok I get it. Second you were there, as a close personal friend of Jerry's and the band and you know exactly what drugs and other factors contributed to the bands sound. You also know that all the band members followed everything Jerry said and did right? That's pretty much what you said. The fact that you don't like 76 is your opinion, your personal tastes, etc. " sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own" right? But your argument that the band was slow in 76 soley based on Jerry doing coke is in my opinion ridiculous. What, you don't think he was doing coke in the Brent years?

This whole argument is souding dumber and dumber to me so I can only imagine what others probably think about it.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 2, 2006 12:04pm
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how about we get together over a few bongs and discuss this furthur....:) bring a hot 76 show with you and a pillow !

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 2, 2006 1:54pm
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LOL! Great response. Don't worry I fully understand your pillow comment unlike those philistines below : )

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 2, 2006 2:21pm
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i still think Fish is a bit ac/dc - it was certainly a Lacanian reference to subconsciosly desiring to cuddle with his mommy.

run now mommy....errr, johnny

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 2, 2006 2:27pm
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dire,

your not paying your staff writters nearly enough! i actually laughed out loud!

all in good fun, i'm sure.

ian

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 2, 2006 2:51pm
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absolutely in good fun!!!

although, being so cold and lonely in Alaska - Johnny just may take him up on it - you never know.....

(johnny - you have permission to slap me upside the head)

:)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 2, 2006 3:47pm
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ewww! Man, you're asking for it!

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 2, 2006 2:54pm
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Johnny posted a pic of he and his hottie(Babe-o-saurus Rex). I'm sure he's toasty enough w/o some scraggly old deadhead hoppin' in the sack with him.

I'd say, "I've got your back Johnny", but you KNOW where that will lead. Straight to the gutter...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 2, 2006 3:48pm
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Thanks for clarifyin there HighFlow. Normally I enjoy being in the gutter but not when it comes to MY back : O

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 2, 2006 4:07pm
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I'll cover your back anytime cutie pie.


(ok - ive drawn this out way too far)
eewwwwwww

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 2, 2006 4:28pm
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what's the matter Wolf? Sheep wool getting too itchy for you so you have to try and make new " friends"? Sorry man, I love you but not in that way.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 2, 2006 4:37pm
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i'm just not feelin' the love in this forum no more!! I must be in the wrong forum. I thought this was the LMA - "Loving Males Association" - damn, gotta fix this damn browser - sorry for bothering y'all ;)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 2, 2006 4:41pm
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yeah you're probably one of them " rainbow" hippies huh?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 2, 2006 5:02pm
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damn - ive been found out - guess i'm out of the closet now :) i was just hopin for a "closet" experience with Fish - but you took him from me..... you bastard!!!

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 3, 2006 5:36am
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direwolf in some dire need :)

easy breezy....my ship don't sail that course...

as ed vedder said to a friend of mine last summer

it's good to have dreams.... keep dreaming...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 2, 2006 5:05pm
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Sorry man. I think Fish is saving himself for Brent in the after life.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 2, 2006 5:12pm
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Oh God! Aren't we all?!?!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 2, 2006 3:32pm
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DAMN - you just take the fun out of everything highflow - lol. (crap, there goes my "reach around" jokes).
Yes, johnny looks quite comfy with his honey - especially in the sunny Yucatan peninsula.

All in good fun - nothing like some friendly abusive humor :) although i really do think Fish had something else in mind - hehehe (guess i'm just jealous 'cause he didn't ask me - im lonely too ya know - my leg needs some rubbin')

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 2, 2006 3:48pm
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You're a sick wolf...I always knew the maulings were a manifestation of some deep rooted desire to be loved.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 2, 2006 4:10pm
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will you love me??? (sniff sniff)

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 2, 2006 4:16pm
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Dire, I do love you. But not the kinda' love you're yurning for...


LOL. Had to shake the creepy feeling off my skin. Let's end this!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 2, 2006 4:33pm
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lol - ended now!!! too funny - sorry for draggin this far further than it need to.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 2, 2006 4:37pm
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enjoyed every moment.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 2, 2006 4:39pm
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me too honey :)

(ok, now that is just sick - i just smacked myself upside the head)

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 2, 2006 12:12pm
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UUUHHHH?? Bring a pillow??? Not sure if I wanna ask but...please elaborate...

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 2, 2006 1:04pm
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little inside humor between the goodbjohnny and if you have been following the discussion you should be able to figure it out !!! and its not a homo reference!


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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 2, 2006 1:51pm
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Hey Fishead - Yeah, figured that, but could not resist! I am bored and demented, I'll admit as much...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 2, 2006 12:29pm
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maybe he wants to get "cozy" with johnny!!! (be afraid, be very afraid)

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 2, 2006 12:36pm
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Not that there's anything wrong with that...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 2, 2006 1:56pm
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You both are punks! One reason I like you guys : )

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 1, 2006 4:46pm
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Dear boys, let us remember that there is partying and then there was smack. It only took about a year after '77 before it started showing it's ugly head and held it's "sway" on the music we love best. While Jerry was mellowing way out, the rest of the band discovered coke...and I for one think the effect of those crossed signals had audible effects.

In retrospect, '79 looks like (and sounds like) the beginning of the end. It's all documented right here, all you got to do is listen. Sure there was a revival of sorts with Brent, but the Persian got him too. Fact is, he was probably the best all around keyboard player the band ever had, but got on the bus after it had already started rolling down the hill.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 2, 2006 9:14am
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Well fortunatly for me Heroin was not around during my formative full scale research ( experimenting my ass ) years. I'd like to think I would have been smart enough to think I could " try" it without getting hooked but knowing me then I probably would have tried it. BUT none of that happened and now that I'm older and wiser I have nothing but fond memories of my pary days.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 1, 2006 4:36pm
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No racism or hatred on this site, we're pretty PC. BUT, when it comes to drugs, well the "PC-ness" drops like a rock.

We've all seen the darkside of drugs. The isolation. But here at LMA, we're talking about drugs in the context of gatherings. The whole idea that your brother was there to talk you down, if necessary. Experimentation in a safe environment can be a very positive experience. Clearly a not-so PC point-of-view.

Drugs are bad for many of people for a many reasons, we ALL agree. SO, it stands to reason, drugs are good for many of people for coutless reasons.

Each day there are well-rounded, intelligent folks here at LMA forum. Together we have consumed more than our share. BUT, here we are...reading, writing, debating....breathing.

I am who I am. Drugs were a part of creating this personality. No complaints...

Pass that doobie!

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 1, 2006 1:26pm
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YES! This IS a stupid conversation. I LOVE THE GRATEFUL DEAD! Whatever you play, I'll listen with interest. No exceptions.

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Nov 1, 2006 2:33pm
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In a way it is s stupid conversation. BUT--how did you get turned onto the dead--or to many of the shows you love? I think there are some good things being shared---versions to check out, ideas that may enlighten.

I find it nice that this Dr. Flashback guy seems to love early dead the most, but points us to other times and places.

Always something to learn.

That '65 stuff, though--blow you away.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 1, 2006 2:54pm
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Hey Orchid - Joking about the stupid part. Exchange of ideas and perceptions is what this is ALL about. No stupid topics exsist.

Comparing GD years is a bit like comparing types of pie. I like Apple better than Pecan, but it all goes in the pie-hole! Know what I mean...?

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Nov 1, 2006 6:05pm
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Didn't take your "stupid" comment seriously; hope no offense was taken. Quite the opposite. A good debate is the antithesis of stupid, and calling out your favorite tunes or time zones is one of the things that fascinates me about the dead--that there are so many verions of the group and so many adherents to each version.